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Transcript of talk of deputy head of the Joint Staff to the commander of the Stalingrad front

24.09.1942

Beginning 05:25AM ending 08:45AM

Bokov at the device.

Eremenko, Khruschev at the device.

We ask you to receive and pass the following to com. Stalin.

To comrade Stalin.

The battle at Stalingrad continues for two months now. The most active actions happen on the front in the area of river Don, Stalingrad, Krasnoarmeisk.
By all means of reconnaissance is established that 13 infantry divisions operate here (384, 305, 76, hungarian of unestablished number, 95, 389, 295, 71, 94, 297, 371 infantry divisions are German, 20th and 2nd infantry divisions are Romanian), three motorized divisions (3, 60, 29), four tank divisions (16, 24, 14 and tank division of unestablished number). Twenty divisions altogether, 480-550 tanks, 1100-1200 artillery, 600-650 aircraft of all types (the data about the airplanes is verified many times by aerial photographing)
Of these enemy forces seven divisions, oriented to the North, operate against the left part of the Stalingrad front. Of those in the region of Rossoshka, Akatovka - 5 divisions (76, Hungarian infantry division, 95, 60, 3 motorized division, 16 tank division). At most a division of forces from 60th motorized division, 3rd motorized and 16th tank division are operating oriented to the South against the right flank of the 62nd Army.
Two thirds of German forces from the composition of all the forces operating in this region are operating against Stalingrad: 9 infantry divisions (unestablished number, 389, 295, 71, 371, 297, 94 are german and 20, 2 are Romanian); three tank divisions (24, 14, and one unestablished number); Motorized division one (29th).

Characteristics of enemy forces.

Units of enemy forces have sustained considerable losses and at the current moment on average each division counts 65-70% of manpower and up to 60% of combat vehicles. Enemy being in such a high quantitative number of divisions can be explained by the fact that he constantly sends in reinforcements by using march battalions, penal companies, rear units, sappers who did not participate in the fighting as infantry before (for example: 71nd division, frayed and filled with march battalions consisting of Austrians and Poles, 296 infantry division received 4th and 9th penal companies to reinforce them, 14th tank division received a sapper battalion as reinforcements and etc.).
At Stalingrad the German army consists of the following nationalities: Germans, Austrians, Poles, Hungarians, Romanians. The air force consists of German aviation, Romanian and Italian.
All this was mixed up during the battles. This evidence that according orders by Paulus from 6th army and Gott from 4th army are issued not from a good life. It should be noted that in the North the enemy forces are commanded by the general of the 6th army while from South and West - commander of the 4th tank army. Both these commanders who lead the armies do not have any exceptional abilities being stupid but stubborn scoundrels [sic]. The main figure who keeps rescuing them is the commander of the 8th Air corps, colonel general Reichtchoffen. We can mention other capable and brave generals such as commander of the 29th mechanized division general Frommery, commander of the 14 t.d. [tank division] general Kyun and 24th t.d. - Huanschield. On the other hand such generals like the commander of the 6th Romanian artillery corps Dragolina, commander of the 20th Romanian i.d. [infantry division] Grigoresku, 2nd Romanian i.d. Tudose we can only speak as a retreating generals, retreating divisions and that they are not a formidable force.
Enemy forces have sustained colossal damage at Stalingrad: according to even the modest calculations from 6th of August till 20th of September 25-32 thousand soldiers and officers were killed, 80-112 thousands were wounded, 1156 planes were shot down or damaged, 250-300 artillery units destroyed, burned or knocked out 550-600 tanks.

Secondly. That offensive momentum which the enemy had is reducing from day to day despite them trying to gather reinforcements and send them to battle, trying to keep up their unit combat capabilities at a defined level and keeping the initiative in their hands. But the numbers are falling and the enemy is visibly losing his breath. Our unit tenacity at Stalingrad has considerably broken the spirit of faschist forces and their offensive pace is reducing, despite the best units infantry, motorized infantry, tank and most importantly aviation forces that are concentrated here and their will to take Stalingrad. Despite all that, they were unable to take Stalingrad.

Thirdly. After thorough observation of enemies approaching reinforcements, it was established that there are no fresh units among them, but as pointed out earlier reinforcing is done with various teams, penal units, aerodrome crews and other stubs. This shows that enemies' reserves are dwindling.

What can we say about our own forces?

Firstly, during this battle which is far from being finished, the forces of South-Eastern front have survived I would say attacks unprecedented by their strength, artillery power and especially the aviation. They inflicted colossal damage to the enemy despite having very imperfect defensive structures near Stalingrad which were constructed in three thin lines without needed depth and mostly placed stupidly from tactical point of view, not to speak about the operative defence in total.

Secondly. There were almost no cases when our units trembled, gave in to panic and fled from the battlefield. It is surprising to see that after concentrated massive aviation strikes it seems that there is nothing left in the area, moreover tanks and infantry attack after the bombing, but still the defenders of Stalingrad are stopping tanks and infantry and repelling their attacks and counterattacks.
We must mark a solid and well-proven 64th army commander major general comrade Shumilov. Comrade Chuikov also works well lately. Commander of the 133 tank brigade colonel Bubnov must be noted too. For a month he and his brigade took part in countering the most important attacks and counter attacks of the enemy, constantly preserving the force of the brigade on the level of 20 KV tanks.

What is happening near Stalingrad now?

The enemy has wedged in to the city in its western part at the area of 6-7 kilometers and near Kuporosnoe, outskirts of Minino and approached the bank of Volga. 9/10 of the city are in our hands as well as industrial regions both in the South and in the North of the city. The main difficulty is that the enemy has a big impact on our ferries with his mortars, artillery and aviation and makes transfering reinforcements, food and ammo, evacuating wounded across the Volga river extremely difficult. The most important is not that the enemy keeps the ferries under fire, but that they destroy our ships and ferry facilities.

Help from the North has dragged on. Mostly this has made things more complicated for the defenders of Stalingrad. But the spirit of the defenders is nevertheless high, firm and unshakable.

Regarding the Stalingrad front.

I returned from the Stalingrad front only on 23.09.1942 at 7:00AM. There on the spot I made sure that there are enough forces and reinforcement units. On the front of the main direction (left wing) there are twenty two divisions operating along with considerable reinforcing unit count. It may seem that with these units one could not only attack, but even crawl [sic] and already be in Stalingrad.

Where is the main reason for our failures?

The main reason:
a) is the inability of the division commanders organize a fight and overview it, influencing the course of battle;
b) low exactingness
c) and the worst and even obscene I would say is that the commanders of the divisions and regiments do not know what is in front of them, what enemy, they do not study their adversary and frequently at the start of the battle they call artillery barrage at almost empty spots. I have spoken to 17 different division commanders and three army commanders (66, 24, 1st guards). It appeared that for ten days of operation none of the divisions have captured a single POW (considering that this is an offensive operation). And no one knew, this is simply amazing, no one knew(!) who is in front of them, what adversary and how much.

During the offensive on 18.09.1942 on the front of two strike armies 24th and 1st guards, there were only 4 enemy regiments, against 12 attacking divisions. The enemy was clearly surprised and still, the operation didn’t succeed.

What is the main reason for failure?

If first offensive failures were explained by the lack of time and haste, then in this case there was time and superiority over the enemy, except for the aviation. But there was no success.

What is the reason?

Because the regiments of the division did not have proper data about the adversary, they attacked the no man's land and their artillery fire was in essence aimed at the empty field.
And the second: the infantry did not follow the tanks into battle {That was a common flaw in the RA, Isaev frequently mentions this in his books}. [German] submachinegunners {sic, most likely he meant machinegunners} have stopped the first units which stalled all the rest because of overly deep battle order {again a common RA flaw noted by various historians: overly deep battle order on the offence and overly thin in the defence}. The appearance of strong enemy aircraft over the battlefield has forced the units to stop and lie down because it is very difficult to hide in an open place. The impact of the aviation was very strong because the attacking divisions had only 1-1.5 kilometers wide front and created too dense formations. Because of this almost every bomb dropped from the enemy airplane hit some target. The commanders did not understand that the longer they remain in place, the higher the losses inflicted by aviation {once again a big problem of the RA of the time. It is counterintuitive to go forward in such conditions, however this is what seasoned soldiers do and it does save a lot of lives that way, but there was no experience to understand that at that point of time}. On the contrary, after you engage in a firefight with the enemy, wedge yourself into his battle formations, the losses are less, because that makes the aviation actions very difficult due to fear of friendly fire. Besides, our infantry has lost the soul of infantry: those powerful automatic weapons we have, powerful infantry weapons they are armed with, they do not use and fire upon the enemy, do not conduct real infantry combat, that is, what they are strong with.

The enemy with only tens of machine gunners, being in the defence is holding off our entire attacking regiments, but our infantry does not engage into a firefight. We only hear artillery RS {Katyusha} and aviation on the battlefield. Hand grenades are almost completely forgotten on the battlefield. It is very good for the enemy when we attack on a narrow front, because his mobile units are quickly moved to this direction and also he can conduct concentrated airstrikes.

I think that in these conditions and given superiority in ground forces which we have here, we must attack in three - four directions to disperse enemies' effort and better utilize our forces and combat vehicles. I have made such a decision on the spot: to strengthen the strike on the flank of the 1st guards army and on the left flank of com. Malinovsky. Comrade Zhukov has approved this decision.

The failure of the offensive largely depended on the Stalingrad fronts lack of ability to control the forces. Com. Gordov himself is not a particularly clear-cut person and control is not perfectly organized by him. But the main thing is that com. Gordov makes mistakes in selecting people and cannot form his own staff. He praised Nikishev a lot, but Nikishev appeared to be incapable of running the staff. He praised com. Kovalenko, who was allowed to be the head of the staff, but he also appeared to be a bad manager and not an administrator, a completely incapable man. Chief of operative staff Ruhle is a worthless person who fears responsibility, not precise, sloppy and also a coward.

Despite the huge work performed there by com. Zhukov and com. Malenkov to organize the offensive and to help the front, the staff did not cut it and was unable to ensure the leading and management of the ongoing operation.

I think that Kovalenko’s further presence as the chief of staff, whom I asked to allow to be on such a duty on behalf of Gordov, as well as comrade Ruhle being chief of operative department, is impossible.

I ask for your order to appoint someone to their places from the reserve of Stavka, because I have no other candidates.

About all the questions I addressed while on the spot with comrade Khruschev, we have taken a series of measures to eliminate all the organizational, tactical and operative flaws.

From 7:00AM 23.09.1942 I am at the command post near Stalingrad.

Eremenko, Khrushchev. 23 of September 1942, 08:30 AM.

Comrade Bokov, I ask you to immediately report this to comrade Stalin. Eremenko, Khruschev.

Bokov.: it will be reported to com. Stalin today. I have no further questions. Good bye. Bokov.

8:45AM 24.09.1942

ЦАМО. Ф. 96а. Оп. 2011. Д. 26. Л. 182—190. Копия.

Transcript of phone conversation of deputy head of Joint Staff to deputy Supreme commander.

16.09.1942

Ivanov at the device.

Major-General Minyuk at the device. Hello.

Ivanov.: Com. Minyuk, please tell us where is army general comrade Zhukov right now?

Minyuk.: General Zhukov here.

Ivanov.: Bokov and Ivanov at the device. We ask to report to com. Zhukov, could he come tot he device for an urgent talk as ordered by com. Stalin.

M.: I will report him by phone right now and get back to you with the results.
I have reported him about your request. He ordered me to tell you that he cannot get to the device right now because he is busy, but he asked you to present your information. I will report him with this tape {telegraph tape} and he will answer.

Bokov, Ivanov.: Good. Asking to receive and immediately report to the army general and then pass me the response. I will wait at the device for the answer.
Highly important. To Army General comrade Zhukov, com. Malenkov.
To strengthen the defence of Stalingrad, according to the current situation, comrade Stalin asked me to tell you whether you consider it possible to urgently transfer to Stalingrad two rifle divisions from the left flank of the Stalingrad front. In return two divisions from Kamishino will be transferred.
Second. Com. Stalin asks to tell you that your plan is received and there are no objections about it.
Third. In the morning of 17th of September according to Stalin’s order Golovanov will fly out to you. Stalin asks to urgently tell him [Golovanov] where should he land. I ask to urgently report to the army general and pass me the answer. I will wait at the device.

M.: I’m off to report and will pass the response immediately.

M.: Transfering to com. Bokov, com. Ivanov.

Report to com. Stalin:
1.: 95th rifle division has been taken out from the composition of our group that was intended for offence by the General staff. 95th is unloading since 15.09 at Paromnaya. The 92nd rifle brigade has also been unloading there since 15.09. It was assigned to the North group of the Stalingrad front. Because of this our forces intended for the offensive are already weakened by one rifle division and one rifle brigade against the plan we reported to you. We got to know about those transfers only today from the head of VOSO Kovalyov.
2.: All units of the North group have either already taken their place in their battle order or are taking it this night.
Conclusion.: right now [removing] even one division will weaken our strike group and break our calculations and fast crushing of the enemy defence and the following connection to the Stalingrad forces.
3.: Taking divisions out of the combat order and transferring them elsewhere will take more time than directly transferring divisions from Kamishino to Stalingrad. Because of that we ask not to take divisions from the North group, but send divisions from Kamishino directly to Stalingrad.
4.: Golovanov must land at an airdrome near Vikhlyancev (near Kamishin) where he will be met.
Zhukov, Myalenkov.

Ivanov.: Com. Minyuk, I’m begging you:
First: under which number [order] when and who has said that 95 rifle division and 92 rifle brigade are incorporated into the Stalingrad front and are transferred there.
Second: who and when said you that those units will be transferred to you on 17th of September.This is extremely important to determine the real situation regarding those units. I ask you to find out. I will wait at the device.

Minyuk.: I will find out now, who and when issued the order of transferring those divisions to the North group of the Stalingrad front. For now I know for sure that those units were planned, but according to the ciphered telegram of com. Kovalev, they started unloading at Paromnaya on 15th and will finish on 18th. I will find out the rest now.
I was unable to find out everything about your question. After speaking to Ruhle and Kovalenko I found out that there was a notice about 5 units, but there were only 4 numbers mentioned. Those four arrived and the fifth one, that is the 95th [division] was expected.
I reported your question to Zhukov by phone. I was offered to find out about this in detail ath the Staff. So I will go to the Staff now and clarify this question in detail. After that will tell you. But keep in mind that it will be a difficult task, because the departments are separated and it will take time.

Ivanov.: I understand. I beg you, as soon as you find out, call me immediately.

Bokov.: Com. Stalin assigned personally to you that you must urgently ask army general Zhukov that he [Stalin] is waiting for Zhukov’s report about the situation at the front.

Nikishev.: I will present to him immediately. Com. Zhukov is here. I’m off to report to Zhukov.

ЦАМО. Ф. 96а. Оп. 2011. Д. 26. Л. 176—179. Копия.

Operative department of reserve front. Army and division report about staff and equipment. 49th Army.

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